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 Originally Posted by ragnar
Let me make this really simple for you.
You can make it complicated, I can handle … I’ve been building websites for the past eighteen years.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
100 WordPress sites with mostly amateur developers , that makes a great target for hackers, big school of fish. 10 get hacked.
So you admit the reason that WordPress is a target is because they are easily hacked.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Thats 10 % youl be hearing about it all day.
We are not talking about 10% we are talking about 83% of WordPress sites currently online are hackable.
https://sucuri.net/reports/2017-hacked-website-report
 Originally Posted by ragnar
1you have 10 Python sites, mostly millennial but more advanced developers, 2 get hacked 20% .
Are you saying that …
Instagram
Google
Spotify
Netflix
Uber
Dropbox
Pinterest
Instacart
reddit
lyft
shoppify
Just to name a few are all owned and operated by millennial’s and are not popular enough for anyone to want to hack?
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Its easy to say WordPress is the bad guy.
Yes it is, we agree on that ...
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Also remember php has had its time trending python ( thus shopify ) though its been around for ages has started its trend a few years ago once there are enough targets in python sites on the web we will be hearing alot more about them being hacked too.
Maybe when Google and YouTube become more popular they’ll start getting hacked as well.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Hackers are for the most part looking for abundance in potential targets, python hasnt achieved a big enough share to be that yet it will though.
Now that is your opinion, you have no data to backup what your saying. I’ve shown proof of the problem with WordPress and you come back with opinions.
To assume that a platform like Django will one day become a target when none of the coding problems found in WordPress can be found in Django is foolish.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
I dont know why you say WordPress is dying :
Here’s WordPress’ overall market share going all the way back to 2011, according to W3Techs:
2011
13.1%
2012
15.8%
2013
17.4%
2014
21.0%
2015
23.3%
2016
25.6%
2017
27.3%
2018
32.0%
They used Alexa to survey 10 million websites and concluded that WordPress must still be growing.
I used Google trends, looked at the last five years and I concluded that it is dropping in popularity.
wordpressvspython.png
While Alexa is known for not being very trustworthy with their data Google (who uses python) is known for the opposite.
And consider this …
WordPress is getting more and more competition and it was my understanding of why they decided to come out with WordPress 5.0 and the New Gutenberg instead of fixing the problems with their code.
Gutenberg drops TinyMCE and goes the way of Weebly and Wix, almost like they see them as a threat.
Is it possible that even though they are getting more and more competition year after year that instead of getting smaller that both they and their competition are continuing to grow?
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Seems like steady growth to me despite the impeding 'Threat" from python to php.
Now that you mention Google trends also shows a drop in the pouplarity of PHP as more and more big companies are starting to stay away from the most hacked language in the world.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
I would never be as naive to say one language is better than another as everything has its assets if it didnt it wouldn't be around today.
Of course some languages are better than others the same way some cars are better than others. And your not being willing to say that has nothing to do with rather your around today or not.
Unless your programming only in WordPress and PHP and saying it would be admitting that your programming in languages that are not as good of an option for people who are serious about their business.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
The bigger market share they get the more they are going to push php for improvement look at the rate php is updating compared to before its severely increased.
They have to update because they find 3 and 4 exploits with their code every month.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
Sure python is great but it cannot offer what php does in one aspect fast turn around times and ease of use to users.
If getting your website online quickly is the most important thing to you then shame on you however with that being said you can get a Python site on line almost equally as fast.
And while you can not charge for a WordPress install (because its just a click of a button that anyone can do) where you have no control over how it is setup with Python you can get a couple thousand because you are in total control of the code and the way it is configured.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
In the same way that php is not nearly as flexible as python.
Keeping that in mind, do you feel that machine learning and artificial intelligence is the direction that the world is heading?
If so do you feel that learning the #1 language in the world for these new and growing trends would be an advantage?
 Originally Posted by ragnar
I very much agree that python is a higher level language i wouldnt down it for a second. I just not going to hype it up either.
Its not that its just a higher level language but rather its the way of the future.
If I could show you how you could double or triple the amount of money you are currently making with WordPress by learning python.
If I could show you how simple, easy, and fun it is too build in python, would you be willing to learn it?
 Originally Posted by ragnar
It shouldnt really be compared i think They are aimed at different needs.
When it comes to satisfying your clients, your the expert, you should compare everything and be using the very best.
Building a shopping cart for a client on the most hacked platform in the world is doing a disservice to your client.
Its your job to guide and direct your client down the correct path. Its your job to know which path that is.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
WordPress is a simple CMS that is easy to install and deploy, and you can get started with it very quickly. It is not however suitable for more demanding applications as python would be.
Its not suitable for anyone whose serious about their business.
 Originally Posted by ragnar
I cant say for sure though, maybe il eat my words one day this is just as things stand right now.
Are you saying that …
1.) Supporting a language that has not had a security update since 2006 is a good idea?
Because Wordpress can’t improve their code because it breaks compatibility with PHP 5.2!
(Wikipedia):
WordPress' minimum PHP version requirement is PHP 5.2, which was released on January 6, 2006, 11 years ago, and which has been unsupported by the PHP Group and not received any security patches since January 8, 2011.
2.) Do you agree as a PHP programmer, that global variables are to be avoided at all costs and have no reason to be used?
Because WordPress is full of them.
3.) Do you agree that plugins may have bugs that you might not discover until you've invested time into using them?
4.) Is the quick install and ease of use worth selling crap to a client?
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