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Looks like Google recently indexed this video warning from the Better Business Bureau (BBB) about Clickincome Inc. / Auction Success Inc. (same employees working for two different businesses located at the same address):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97191398087397
I would like to ask Roger L. Brown a question with regards to Clickincome. I had noticed your post on the ebay forum, however after I had posted this message, I could not retrieve the thread anymore (I am assuming that it was deleted?)
A friend of mine paid $20 for the ebay seminar recently, and has asked me to go to it with him. I decided to do a little bit of searching on the internet to make sure whether or not it is a scam, and to my dismay I can see that it is a scam indeed. I was wondering how do you cancel the subscription to 'clickclub' after the 30 day trial? I am worried that after the 30 day trial, they will mail my friend an invoice and ask him to pay (I had told my friend to paid the $20 in cash, just to ensure that they would not have his credit card number) and the back of the form does not mention how we can contact clickclub to cancel the subscription.
I have read on another website that someone had tried canceling their subscription "but was met with hostility". Will they force my friend to pay the subscription for clickclub?
Hi fallingshine, I do not know how to cancel ClickClub. Remember I have not worked there since Aug. 2005.
Yes, there was an eBay discussion thread that was deleted just because I put in links to the Utah state government website -- i'm guessing that somebody probably didn't like that and reported me to eBay (since eBay's strict policy is no links to outside websites in your discussion posts).
Sorry I don't know the process for canceling. I do know that someone called me relatively recently and wanted to know if they should get a lawyer -- I told them to go to Clickincome / Auction Success Inc. first -- go through their cancellation process. They seem to be more responsive now since there's more public discussion about them now than there used to be. If you follow their instructions I have no reason to doubt that things will be ok.
That person called me back to report that they had been treated fairly when they canceled.
As far as them being a scam -- I've never said that. The definition of scam is that you pay money and get nothing -- absolutely nothing in return. Clickincome / Auction Success Inc. is selling you a real product and a real service. You do get something in return. So it's not a scam.
But I do think they are overpriced.
And even worse, is the reports we're hearing publicly here and elsewhere about their sales guys dishonest tactics.
And the Better Business Bureau (BBB) of Spokane, WA just put out this advisory on them last month (click to read).
My former supervisor, Mark Hansen, emailed me last week asking why I've "woken the sleeping T-Rex" (he was referring to the owner/CEO, Brian McAdam). It's really sad the denial they're in over their unethical sales tactics. On top of that he's suing me for $5.5 million.
My faith motivates me to stand up and help protect others -- especially this speech by one of the living prophets/apostles:
Brother's Keeper (click to read)
Remember, if you have a complaint, go to your state's attorney general or consumer protection office. See my earlier post about that on page 7.
Feel free to call me if you wish. I'm glad to help talk with anyone about it.
Regards,
Roger L. Brown
801-356-1032
All I want to say is I went to the meetings and somehow I fell for the convincing tale of how to make millions .. not using ebay though, loopholes is what I would call them because Ebay would not allow such a thing. I paid $3995.00 yes thats four thousand dollars. I called the following Monday to cancel after learning about the bad rating from the BBB.... I spoke to Brock...He insisted I "give it a try".... give it a try??? I had about 2 days left before my giving it a try would be over (hence, the 3 day rule to return the package) Anyways Monday Brock took $1000 off and added a bunch of free crap. Still not impressed. I call Tuesday repeatedly... no answer.. Finally Wednesday, my last day to cancel... I got through...Some guy gave me permission to ship it back.. then Brock called back and told me after I got $1000 off then I really signed a new contract and I could NO Longer cancel --LIE>>>>>>>> Lie, lie, lie and lie..... After I was almost in tears and threatened to call a lawyer and my credit card company I was given my return auth. number- THANK YOU JESUS!! I have never been soooo stressed... I rushed to the post office and shipped everything back. I did get my money back.. all of it.. but it did take work... beyond shipping it back.
Here is my advice to get your money back:
1. First and most importantly- the package MUST BE postmarked my the 3rd business day, anything after that, the law doesn't protect you.
(you may still get your money back but I doubt it knowing this company)
2. Next, call your credit card company and file a dispute. If you paid by check then cancel it RIGHT now!! If you paid by cash, then your crazy!
3. File a complaint with the better business bureau.
4. Write a letter to YOUR STATE Attorney about your experience and how you want your money back.
5. Write to the FTC- Federal Trade Commission.... with enough complaints the company may someday be investigated.
6. I even wrote to Utah state attorney.
All I will say is: I did NOT use clickincome therefore I will not say whether or not it really works or you can make money. What I will say is $4000 for a website is high.. I have had 2 previous websites and they werent half of that.
I'm posting because I know how scary it was waiting for my money to get returned. The company/presentations that are given are soooo convincing... and even after trying to cancel.. they (Brock) are soo good at keeping you with the company.
If you send your package back within the 3 business days, I honestly believe that it is vital to also contact your credit card company and the BBB at the least.. I contact both state attorneys and the FTC because I was so upset.
This experience has given me the idea to make a website (well under $100) which will help and inform people about getting their money back. If I do complete the website I will let everyone know what it is. I would love to have peoples experiences on there with positive outcomes like mine and getting my money back.
Thanks clickincome for pushing me to make a website to help others get their money back!
i just went to one of their seminars this morning and paid 4,000.00 and came home to do some research on them and am now convinced that I need to put a stop payment on that check. What more can you all tell me about them?
Yes, stop payment on that check immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucanbgr8
I too went to one of their seminars. I did receive some very useful eBay info but did not opt in to their "business package". I got a phone call today from one of their salesmen and he pushed pretty hard on the sell. I told him I would think about it and he is going to call me back tomorrow. I really had no intention of purchasing it as A. I don't have that kind of money. B. I am not going to borrow it as I am debt free. C. I don't give that kind of money to anyone without know a lot about them first. I am so glad I found this thread. I thank you guys so much for taking the time to post all of this info and your stories. I now have plenty of ammo for him when he calls tomorrow.
:( We got ripped off by ClickIncome and their affiliates. In addition to not getting return emails or calls, the referral system stinks. Pay Pal is not supported by ClickIncome's shopping card software. The site never moved up at all even with using all the CD's and book hints -not a single hit. Wanted to cancel our domain reistration, they refused to do so and refused to refund nearly $500 for that! In fact, we are so disgusted that I took my website down and put a warning site v. ClickIncome up instead at www.bonniesuniqueboutique.com. We were new to the ecommerce concept. They DO prey on seniors - most of the people in our presenation were retired.:confused: :) :confused: :eek: :mad:
I am a new user here who has hopes of getting a refund from Clickincome. I took the two seminars in Dallas (Richardson), TX June 11, 2008 then another 4 hours on June 14, 2008. I too bought into it paying $4995.00 thinking I would be rich in 6 months. I was promised everything from them actually building my online business since I told them I had no idea what kind of business to build to them being with my every step of the way. Today September 11, 2008 I have a site that is only 1/16th build and still no idea of what to do with it. Their promise to help and to be always available never happened. I get sent to someone's voice mail when I want to talk to someone about getting out of the contract and getting my money back. The first time I called their support line I got a very rude lady who actually insulted me because I was supposed to have learned that in the training class. I am in touch with my favorite TV station here in Dallas in hopes they can help me. I know it has been almost 3 months but believe me, in that 3 months I have been trying to get someone to talk to so I can get out of this. Can anyone offer advice?
Oh, I too am a senior on Social Security.
Thanks,
:mad: :confused: :cool: :eek: :( :mad: Clickincome and all its affiliates are part of a parent co called Pangaea Group. The same man is listed as the head of almost all the companies involved with Clickincome - what an ego!!!They are not BBB members, nor are they approved by the BBB of Utah, and Clickincome alone has nearly 300 complaints against them with the BBB. Aria Financial also has complaints with the BBB. The BBB review is of Auction Success, not Clickincome. I got stuck for $4995 for the "executive package", $457.68 for two domain name registrations (which they later took back but won't refund any money!), $39.95 per month for processing and gatekeeper First Data, $9.95 per month for "unlimited technical support" (they offer NO technical support by phone or email!!!), and nearly $140 on our phone bill for the time spent on the phone when I finally did reach tech serv. That's only the beginning. I made such a fuss with the Attorney Generas of PA and Utah, the BBB of PA and Utah, the Consumer Protection Agency, the credit card company, legislators whom I personally know, and the media that Clickincome shut down my websites and domain names without ANY REFUND AT ALL. And....I'd not done! Our biggest local paper is doing a special feature on the Clickincome scam. Just type any order of words relating to Clickicome and complaints and you'll find a good deal of interesting reading online! BBB site has a warning against Action Success, which is the company name the used on the full page ad in our paper on March 17, 2008. (The seminars were held on the 18 and 19 at The Days Inn and Conference Center on Bulldog Road. I'm blogging every site I can find to get the word out, and you should too! My husband and I are 75 and 62, we both lost our jobs in a corporate bankruptcy, we talked ad nauseum about starting an online business with my handmade photo greeting cards, attended the seminars, and got stiffed. I FOUGHT BACK AND SO CAN YOU!!! If you want to get these guys, I'll collect data to take to an attorney to see if a class action suit is plausible. We'll all have to come together to stop Clickincome and its highly developed scam. :mad: :rolleyes: :cool:
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Bonnie, count me in please. I have not heard from the TV station so I'm not sure if they will help me or not. Please tell me what you need next
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:confused: :eek: :o The best way to fight Clickincome, Auction Success/ASI, Pangaea Group, Rapid Domain Name, Clicksitebuilder, Aria Financial, First Data, and other companies under the Pangaea Group parent, file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of Utah, the Office of the Attorney General of Utah, and a dispute with your credit card company. Provide as many details and copies of documents, including sales forms, credit card bills, emails, phone records of attempts to contact clickincome tech support, and anything else you can think of. The more documentation you have, the better. All three of the above are now involved in my complaint and the BBB is trying to negotiate a settlemnt for a $75 fee to each party. Clickincome has a rote response to everything - three days and not involved with the other business.BUT, the same man is the top executive with almost all the companies under Pangaea. Once you're on record with your complaint, ask the operator of this site if you may send a copy of that to me OR list it on this site as a thread post. This is a great site! They notify me of the responses, so I can check what you say on line.My online statement basically reiterated what was in m complaint. Next, do a search for "complaints against clickincome", "clickincome scam" and/or related word searches to get a better understanding of what this company is about It is no accident that nearly 300 complants were filed with the BBB in a 36 month period. :rolleyes: :( :mad: :rolleyes: The more familiar you are with the process they use, the better you will be able to fight against them. They took your money! They probably lied to you about services and what you could realistically expect under their implied contracts as well as the specific contract terms. The only tem they care about is cancellation within three days which will not happen because they don't return phone calls or emails! Try some of these ideas, then let me know where you are. I want tofind enough peopl to take this to an attorney and file a class action suit against Clickincome to put them out of business. At 75 and 62, we've been activists a long time and we've learned a few things which work. Bad publicity is one.By the way, I meet with a reporter today who is doing a special expose on Clickincome and our situation. Contact your local TV and radio stations, newspapers - including small town papers. After a long career in marketing, I will tell you that the saying "any publicity is good publicity" does not apply when the company is scamming unsuspecting people, especially senior citizens. Good luck! Thanks to the operators of this forum -it's a great way to network on an issue.
To anyone who has encountered Clickincome and feels they have a complaint: PLEASE CONTACT THE BETTER BUSINESS OF UTAH asap.Bonnie,
"file complaints through the BBB and we will contact the business in regards to each one."
Brittany Brown | Dispute Resolution Manager
Tel: 801-892-6009
Fax: 801-892-6002
Email: [email protected]
www.bbb.org
Better Business Bureau of Utah
5673 S Redwood Rd #22
Salt Lake City, UT 84123
I was in one of your classes online with Click Income. It concerned me when I saw a name I recognized attached to this forum. I am having real issues with not getting what I paid for right now too. I feel like I'm in too deep to back out but I am not getting a huge problem corrected. Tech Support is telling me there is an HTML glitch in one of the site styles. It just so happens to be the only site style that makes any sense to use for my Halloween site. The glitch is the shopping cart doesn't function correctly. So I have a pretty nice site but you cannot purchase anything. The class action may sound like the way to go.
I am not sure who you were referring to when you said you were in one of the online classes but do as Bonnie said and contact the BBB of Utah. I did and they have filed the complaint. You are not by yourself.