Has anyone gotten their money back who requested it back within the 3 day cancellation period? Anymore tips you can give that can be added onto the excellent tips that dreamweaver gave? Thanks, Anonymous
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Has anyone gotten their money back who requested it back within the 3 day cancellation period? Anymore tips you can give that can be added onto the excellent tips that dreamweaver gave? Thanks, Anonymous
I have saved all of my correspondance with Click Income over the last two years. I tried repeatedly to cancell with them... and they've been trying to give me "the slip" for too long. Tired of being ignored and phone calls not returned. Is anyone EVER "in" when you call?!! I've long since closed my accounts but wonder if they actually follow up on the credit threat letters they send. Not wanting to find out, I am interested in participating in a lawsuit. Can someone please contact me?
I just wanted to add my two cents about my recent experience at a Clickincome Seminar.
I, too, was taken in by their offer and went as far as to purchase the $99.00 pkg along with the SEM software that was offered to me for an additional $20.00 for a total purchase of $119.00.
The nice man conducting the sale seemed frantic to have me sign the contract in front of me.
I gave my credit card information to him and on the contract was a box that said "Credit card imprint". However, instead of imprinting the card (simply done by rubbing a sharpee over the card) he copied the card number onto the paper along with the 3 digit security number from the back of the card.
I was told that I had until Monday, (8-27-07) to cancel the contract so I went ahead with it.
I attended the "training" presentation 2 days later and was given the hard sell to spend $3,995.00 on their package offer to help me set up my internet business. I did not agree to this, however, I had a friend attend with me, at Clickincome's suggestion, and together we determined what the scam was.
Later that evening, she called me and advised me to read some of the postings on this web site. We also went to the Clickincome site where I would be allowed to build my own web site. We found a program to build a web site and not a whole lot more. We only accessed the site, we didn't attempt to play with the software or build a site.
I came to the conclusion that I needed to cancel whatever agreement I had made with them within the 3 day grace period and spent $30.00 on postage to make sure my decision reached their address by the 3rd day.
I also went to my bank and showed them the copy of the contract I was given and the information that was written on it regarding my credit card.
My bank informed me that merchants NEVER write down the 3 digit security number on the back of the card. Furthermore, they said that with the information they had about me they could charge anything they wanted to my account without my knowledge.
Now, so far as I can tell, they aren't shopping on anyone else's tab, they just continue to debit charges that they consider to be legitimate for their own services.
I thoroughly read the contract and refund policy and determined that they were offering me a "refund" ie, they would charge my card for the amount authorized. I was required to cancel both the use of their software and the agreement for the montly charge for hosting the web page separately. They would then send me an address via 1st class mail instructing me where to return the items I had in my possession. If the items were deemed to be in unsatisfactory condtion, they would refund my money, less $35.00 for the materials and allowed themselves up to 30 days after receiving them to refund my money.
The contract also stated that if they weren't able to collect money due them from my account that they would send a paper bill.
Feeling pretty studpid at this point for buying into what is one of the oldest cons in the book (Bait & Switch) I decided to put the ball in their court. I followed the instructions for cancellation but I also changed my bank card at the bank rendering the information they had about me useless for collecting money from me.
I also sent them a letter informing them that they could send me a paper bill for the amount owed on the materials I received, up to $55.00, which is the value of what I actually received from them. So, rather than mess around with any more of my time or money, I thought it best to let them attempt to collect what I "owe".
I hate to admit that yes, greed on my part did get the best of my better judgement but I did not like the tone of the comments about this company that are featured on this web forum. Also, I believe in making money honestly.
I am willing to pay for the materials I have in my possession with a money order. I do believe they are operating just within the law or they would have disappeared a long time ago. Three+ years is a long time to continue any con. Whether or not they are breaking any laws, I doubt and would not be interested in participating in any lawsuit.
I do feel foolish because I have enough experience in sales to know that there were many red flags that popped up during the course of the initial seminar. I chose to ignore them.
And, while I would like to create and maintain a web site at some time in the future, I am going to acheive that goal a little more carefully and for a lot less money than what Clickinvoice is offering.
Oh, and just so you know, I read the "positive" feedback messages, too and they have a familiar seminar sound to them which fails to convince me of anything. I feel like I just barely got out from under this before it became a very expensive problem, something I have no shortage of and no desire to add to. I'm just glad I have a friend who spends a little more time on the internet than I do who helped steer me out of this mess in time.
Good Luck!:
Clickincome is dedicated to providing excellent customer service and continues to improve its services and systems. We work to satisfy all concerns, whether you are a client or not.
We remain faithful to our clients, fixing problems and overcoming misunderstandings. We, Clickincome, pride ourselves in our continual growth and in our focus on providing the best possible educational experience for your investment. We will deal with each complaint on a case-by-case basis and consistently strive for excellence in resolutions. Those with complaints are always heard and we greet them and service their situation the same as we greet our thousands of satisfied, successful clients.
We urge you to contact Clickincome directly at 1-800-576-9441 or email us at [email protected] immediately to identify and attend to your concerns. We are here to help.
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Clickincome and parent company are enjoying over 14 years in business and have thousands of successful clients and students. One can expect any company in business this long servicing the public to have complaints; it is how the company handles those complaints that set them apart. Our wish is that all questions or concerns had come to us first so we could have expedited the matter and satisfied the parties involved.
Let us help you,
Clickincome
here's a recent ad for their seminars today the 5th and tomorrow the 6th in Agoura Hills, and Ventura, California:
http://display.venturacountystar.com...x?advid=429629
Wed. September 5th @ 3pm and 7pm
Renaissance Agoura Hills Hotel
30100 Agoura Rd
Agoura Hills, CA
Thursday, September 6th @ 9am, 1pm and 7pm
Crowne Plaza Hotel/Ventura beach
450 E. Harbor Blvd
Ventura, CA
It mentions that you can register at http://auctionsuccesspro.com if you want to get first-hand knowledge of what they're selling and how they're doing it.
P.S. (Edited 9/15 to add this updated link.)
The newspaper link above no longer shows the ad.
But you can still see Google's copy at:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...3Fadvid=429629
I'm so glad I overheard a lady in the bathroom, between one of the breaks, mentioning how she had found some negative things on the internet about clickincome....
I was at their seminar today, my city is Jacksonville, FL. Thank God I did not purchase the program, except the $99 membership and $20 for the magic search disk.
After reading everything, I'm going try to cancel everything and get a refund, though I did the first part of the seminar on Thursday, I hope FL does not consider Saturday a business day. I'm afraid of being charged for the webhosting even though I didn't even get the website up yet. If anyone has any advice, please let me know. I will also keep everyone posted on what happens. I'm feel so sorry for those people that actually purchased the whole program. I'm glad I decided to check them out!
I have good news - I followed all the instructions for getting a refund and I got my refund back from Clickincome. In my last post I asked if anyone had any experience with getting a refund back under the 3 day refund policy and I am happy to say that ClickIncome proved its reliability to me in giving me a full refund. THANK YOU CLICKINCOME !!! Cheers, Anonymous
Although from the posts of clickincome one gets the impression that it indeed is a great program but then again there are guys who do not think so....!!
@ mlister
hi can u please tell me the reason u r seeking refund .....??
It looks like Clickincome is holding both free and paid seminars
in Mesquite, Texas and Dallas, Texas
this Thursday and Friday, November 8th and 9th, 2007:
Thursday, November 8th @ 9am & 1pm
Hampton Inn & Suites
1700 Rodeo Drive
Mesquite, TX 75149
(972)329-3100
Thursday, November 8th @ 7pm
Renaissance Dallas Hotel
2222 Stemmons Freeway
Dallas, TX 75207
(214)631-2222
Friday, November 9th @ 9am & 1pm
Renaissance Dallas Hotel
(same as above)
http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/a...86237&cat=3983
Michael Symes, whom the ad says is an Ebay expert, is going to be speaking.
That would be cool to see his monthly net income from Ebay listings on a month by month basis over the years he's been doing it. I wonder if his monthly net income changes according to the season. I hear that more sales are made on Ebay in the winter and less in the summer since more people are outdoors. Anyway, it would be interesting to hear the Ebay info that Michael Symes and Clickincome gives out at their seminars and to see how much it's worth. Then compare it to other Ebay and ecommerce mentors' info and prices.
If you're curious and live anywhere close to Dallas, it would be probably be worth it to go.
Let us know what you find out.
Roger Brown
It would be very entertaining to drop into this site thread from time to time just to read Clickincome's shills if it wasn't for the fact that these people are the lowest scum on the business totem pole and still out there victimizing good, decent, honest, trusting people. Actually, it's not a business in the classic sense of that word as most reasonable people understand the term. It's just another scam. This is a sting operation, one of the ugliest I've seen. They prey on unsophisticated people looking for a way to make some extra money or to get an internet business going. Some victims are housewives, the disabled, retirees, people already down on their luck, and some are very young people with a lot of ambi+ion and little experience in the business world looking for earnings to pay for a college education.
Just so you clickincome folks understand, I'm recently retired from thirty-four years as a criminal investigator for consumer fraud and bunco.
For any interested,
This is my first post to this Forum, so you can ignore my comments if you wish. However, everybody has to start someplace, and I'd like to contribute some interesting information that I have uncovered about Clickincome, Inc. (some directly from the Utah BBB - Better Business Bureau), and share my developing story. I am interested in helping everyone out there who is evaluating Clickincome, and trying to sift through the good and the bad, to make an informed decision. By the end of my post, I will tell you where I stand. Not to make you wait, it's mostly con (I was an associate, but am trying to cancel), but somehow pro (I have uncovered some new information, not all bad, and may possible re-activate my membership .. not sure yet.)
First of all, who am I, and what is my relationship to Clickincome? What I'm not ... not a Clickincome employee, not a Utah resident or associated with anyone personally from Clickincome. What am I? A new Clickincome associate, trying to cancel based on negative information that I read after having signed up, and now re-evaluating as I read and learn more ...
I am a middle-aged college prof who is interested, with my wife, in earning some money through eBay and online sales, during our free time. We already have an eBay business, and have attended Power Seller status for periods (usually during the summers when I have more time) at least twice. We have "been around the block," so to speak, with many home-based income opportunities in the past, have spent much money and achieved little gain (with some exceptions), and had just about sworn off from any such future endeavor, and certainly from any multi-level options. We also are very interested in helping others to honestly evaluate any opportunities with which we have acquaintance because we know how much valuable time and hard-earned money go into such decisions. If we can help anyone else to make an informed decision, whatever time we spend is worth it!
Back to our story and what we learned. As many are, we were interested in a legitimate way to strengthen our existing e-commerce business and perhaps start another one that my wife could run. Upon my wife's suggestion (she visited the first-day AM seminar), I went to the more advanced evening seminar the same day, and fell for the sales pitch and joined. My friend who accompanied me discouraged me from making a quick decision, but I signed up anyway and committed myself to about $3,000 and an additional monthly fee for a merchant account (about $30). I liked what Mike Symes (and others) said, and the information they presented seemed accurate based and useful based on my familiarity with eBay. It looked like a very workable program for getting started myself with web commerce, for receiving the support I needed to become successful, and for earning some income by getting others started with their "free website" program. That seemed like a very cool idea! To be honest, I was uncomfortable (ethically)with Mike's suggestion that one could lure folks away from eBay by "phishing," that is, by e-mailing them about things they were selling (even if you weren't interested in what they were selling) and asking them if they needed a free website. However, there were many other marketing options suggested that seemed completely above board. The idea that there are many legitimate businesses that do not yet have a web presence was a sound concept.
Then, the morning after the Friday night seminar, my friend put me onto this excellent Forum, and I read a bunch of negative e-mails about Clickincome, got worried about the "Three Day Cooling Off Rule" by the FTC, which allows you to cancel if purchased items or services, sold off-site (such as in hotels, etc.), are postmarked by midnight of the third business day, and wrapped up all my stuff and mailed it back through certified mail to Clickincome, making certain that I had complied with all of the fine print. That was Saturday morning, Nov. 3, 2007, and I have yet to receive my refund (which I assume will be delived through a credit posting to my credit card). Supposedly the company has 10 days to make that happen.
Then, earlier this week, so about Tuesday, Nov. 13, I receive a packet of stuff in the mail from Clickincome with my associate's bag, notebook, CD's, etc. That I am taking is a bad sign, that they are not easily going to honor my request to cancel the services I signed up for and paid for on Friday, Nov. 2. Then again, maybe it's a good sign, that they are quick in responding to new service requests, and just haven't matched up my signing up with my cancellation request. I've been busy, and have not yet called them directly. I intend to do so on Monday. However, I did do much more research tonight on the web and found out the following.
The Utah BBB (Better Business Bureau), accessible through www.utah.bbb.org, now reports 178 complaints within the last 36 months against Clickincome, 84 of which were lodged within the last 12 months. That's the bad part! Complaints were lodged in many categories, with the following breakdown:
• Advertising Issues – 4
• Contract Issues – 16
• Billing or Collection Issues – 46
• Sales Practice Issues – 41
• Delivery Issues – 5
• Service Issues – 14
• Warranty Issues – 1
• Product Issues – 6
• Refund or Exchange Issues – 45
I think this may only be 176, and I don't know what happened to the remaining 2 (to make up 178). Anyway, this seems like a large number of complaints. I also learned that Clickincome is not a BBB member, and that doing business with Clickincome is not recommended. Here are the opening sentences (after introductory material).
(From the Utah BBB, retrieved on 11-17-07, about Clickincome).
"Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the BBB due to unanswered complaints. The company has resolved some complaints presented by the BBB, however, the company did not respond to other complaints."
That's the bad news. The good news is that, in reading through specific categories and what the company did, many of the complaints were resolved (about half), and most of the others were responded to by the company, although the consumers who complained did not respond back to the BBB, so the issues could not be resolved.
I also read a blog by a former Clickincome employee (who appeared to be very honest and even-handed), who acknowledged many complaints against the company, but claimed that based on discussions with a current manager, seemed to think that the company was doing better. He also gave much useful information about affiliated company names, those involved with Clickincome and sister companies, etc.
I have pretty much given up on clickincome, and am waiting for my refund. However, I was fairly impressed by their training notebook (that I looked over tonight - it has many, many useful tips. Certainly not worth $3,000, but since I have signed up for web hosting with other companies and not received anything at all, I was somewhat impressed), and now intend to go onto their web-building site (if it is still active), and try it out and compare it to other alternatives.
So I am giving you a mixed review, but one based on limited experience. At first, I was fairly intrigued by Clickincome's income opportunity, and by their claim to provide all available tools for the amateur e-commerce business person, but was (the morning after) and am still, troubled by all of the bad reports. After looking at the breakdown of complaints on the BBB, it looks like most of the complaints were in the areas of "sales practice" issues, or "billing" and "refund" issues (in other words, give-me-my-money-back departments). Those can be generated by people, like me, who have not given the opportunity a chance, as well as from people who have really tried the system, and are complaining based on experience.
It's all so much "hearsay" right now, so I have given you more personal details and information that I have personally uncovered, rather than just telling you what others have said. I hope that this is useful to all who may be evaluating the Clickincome opportunity, or wanting to bash it, etc.
Does anyone have direct experience in trying their system, utilizing their support system for website building and business-building, etc.? That's what I'm most interested in hearing about. I absolutely do not wish to be associated with any company that does not deliver what they promise, but I know that many people get into things and often do not give opportunities a fair shake. So here's my question.
How does Clickincome support people who are trying to upgrade their "free websites"? Are they VERY BAD, BAD, FAIR, GOOD, or EXCELLENT? My feeling is that how they fare in this department will go a long toward establishing whether or not they are a reputable company and will have a future. It looks like they are trying to resolve complaints and build for the future. But maybe they're just trying to fight fires and stay in business long enough to take more people's money for little provision of service. How do they support associates who, having built a good website and business, are now trying to earn money through sharing the opportunity with others?
Any opinions? Especially any based on experience?
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Originally Posted by Internet Master
Ooooh impressive! A MASTER INTERNET BUSINESS MENTOR!!! Is getting a plastic plaque with that on it one of the extra perks of attending a scam seminar?
E-Com Prof said, "But maybe they're just trying to fight fires and stay in business long enough to take more people's money for little provision of service."
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
"How do they support associates who, having built a good website and business, are now trying to earn money through sharing the opportunity with others?"
By selling them a piece of the scam.
Aloha Fanny
The minute I read The Full page ad in our paper even though they had change there name. I knew it was Click Income... Sure enought did some searching
(that how I found your post.)
They are here again ...
Know at least 4 people that got rip off with the monthly credit card payment.
I can not believe that they can get away with their outright lies.
Well I am going to their seminar and I am going to give them a run for the money, by first asking them if they are Click Income, and why should it cost so much for a merchant account....etc.
I will keep you posted
Pnapika
Aloha! Good catch!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by seekinganswers
What did clickincome change their name to?
:eek: (*Groan), It's still click income as far as I know , just went to both seminars up here in Oregon , I paid 20.00 for their click to auction software, ( with a 9.95 monthly service fee to use it ) just got done checking out their " drop ship store " and was not impressed, some items had no pics, and they had very limited inventory. But the thing that got me the most , was the way they went about selling those 3000 + packages to the older folks, I mean this is of course my own personal belief on things, but if I was selling something , I would present what it was to the best of my ability , and that would be that , and if someone wanted to buy it great , and if not oh well, time to look for some new customers. But I just got the feeling that these people hounded these folks into buying their product, to me it just didn't seem right . I'm probably one of the few people that doesn't want to get rich on the internet , I would simply like to be able to make a living , but there seems to be so many rip-offs and con jobs out there , that I'm totally lost. I'm on public assistance right now and that 20 bucks I spent ,was to me , a heck of alot of money, I was wondering if any of you folks knew of a good web site , that would walk you through the steps of how to make a living on the net ( right now a 1000 bucks a month would be twice what I'm making now ) with little or no money ?
Big time thanks dreamweaver. Your careful advise worked. Otherwise I would not have realised that I had to send in 3 letters of cancellation and how very careful I had to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamweaver
1. Took seminar at the end of Oct. Decided I wanted to cancel after reading about Clickincome on the internet. Sent in 3 cancellation letters -certified mail-the next day after the seminar. Also notified my credit card company and they opened a dispute for the $3,995.
2. Got about 6 phone calls in the next 2 weeks, with different offers to get me to not cancel. One of the offers was half price for same program.
I held firm and said I want to cancel.
3. Called Clickincome after I got back the certified mail confirmations from the post office.
4. Clickincome said they did not have any record of my cancellation letters or certified mail receipts. They asked me to fax copy of my certified mail receipts. :mad:
At this time I sent official complaint to Utah Better Business Bureau
5. I faxed copies of post office receipts and waited a day and called them again. They still had not received the fax and asked me to re-fax receipts to them.:mad:
6. Called the next day and they found the fax (first one) but still could not find the cancellation letters. I asked for information of where to mail the materials back to and they said they had to find the letters before they would send me a letter. I offered to re-mail or fax copies of the letters. They said no, as the post office receipts proved that I had sent them something, but they had to find what I had originally sent them. I could not get my refund until I sent back the materials and they were making it a very difficult process. :mad:
7. Call the next day again and asked if the letters had been found. They had not, but assured me that I would get the letter of where to send the material within the next week or two.
8. 6 days later I finallllllllllllllly got the letter and sent the materials back.
9. 5 days later got e-mail receipt from post office that box had been received.
10. 2 days later TODAY refund was posted to my credit card!:) Was really surprised, as they had 30 days after receipt of material to post to my account. Maybe Credit Card dispute and letter to Utah Better Business Bureau helped grease the wheels.
This is my first post and I am heartsick about what I'm reading. My husband and I went to Mike Syme's presentation last evening and, despite my misgivings, we signed up. All the entries I'm reading are bad. Is there [I]anyone [I]out there that has anything good to say about them?
SHRLAN,
Sorry to hear you made a terrible mistake! You must follow the example of persons on this post that followed the return policy to the letter to get their money back! I ran in to these shysters here in Ft. Worth giving a seminar this past Thursday, Jan. 24, which was a build up to Michael Syme coming the following Friday.
I did not buy any thing, but was tempted. I keyed in to the fact that the speaker, that called himself "Richard Layton of Utah", was recommending the selling of things on eBay to people that they did not need, nor would ever use. He said that someone else would if we didn't. He exposed what he would quite readily do to us in sharing this, so I stepped back to think if I needed the cd!
When I got home and looked up how much a credit card machine costs, and found I could get it for $30/mo. for 3 years instead of $70/mo. for 3 years, I knew how Mr. Layton could get such large kickbacks for signing people up. After that, I realized that you can use PayPal anyway! There is no need for your own machine, especially starting out! I already knew that a web site could be had for $20/mo., and that clickincome was likely a load of rubbish. I called the AG office of Texas, and they said they were probably just opportunistic, unscrupulous, and immoral, but not illegal. I was told to file a complaint form. That is the day and age we live in. Hundreds of people are being charged outrageous sums and getting little in return, and even the AG just shrugs his shoulders.
I called the Star-Telegram news room. This was just one more of the many scams out here and was not newsworthy. He recommended against attending all things at hotels of unknown origin.
I called the Radisson, where it was held, and was told I could not approach persons to warn them on their property because they were not known to be breaking any laws, and they were paying customers. I came anyway and warned one person that I sat next to the previous night, during a break. I got the impression that he could still be duped anyway. These people know how to employ fear and intimidation.
We live in a day when hundreds of persons can be taken advantage of across our country - they can be very deliberately sought out and preyed upon by savvy individuals without conscience, intimidation techniques can be employed, and it can still be legal. Greed for easy money while walking all over the whole bunch to get it apparently is not prosecutable, and most look the other way, and some pay, hoping to get in on it!
A day of justice is coming soon! My Savior and Master Yahshua the Messiah of Nazareth will rule the earth! This type of activity will be stamped out readily during His reign! We all need to make sure that we aren't practicing greed, or anything else that our Creator considers evil, when He returns! All sin will be destroyed then, and everyone that is still connected to it!
My experience with Click Income (CI) came about because of my success with eBay.
The initial "ClickIncome" radio advertisement mentioned "eBay" powersellers and building your eBay business beyond your wildest expectations.
I was at the time comparing internet business systems to promote an existing successful business and to also acquire STOCK - and drop shipment for hobbies such as RC Planes/Helicopters and accessories.
Between my wife and I - we have 6 separate successful businesses dealing with Summer rentals, RV parks, B & B's, Automotive Classics, Misc Hobbies, & Home Schooling. We have always gone above and beyond with customer satisfaction and were looking to expand our potential earnings and customer outreach.
I attended a "Click Income" presentation in Juneau, AK at the Baranof Hotel in Fall 2004. Like most folks that bought with Click-Income the process and products appeared to be fool proof. I see NOW on their web site that they are mostly into Educating their Customers about online business. This is not the sales pitch I bought into - and I certainly did not further web based education.
Total cost was just over $4,000 for their ultimate package. I attempted to opt out and investigate "Click Income" and come back the next day (Same Location in Juneau) and purchase the plan. I was told - it was now or never - and that tomorrow's price would be significantly higher. Another Scam and Lie - just a high pressure sales pitch.
The name I remember was a Mike Syme - with an e-mail address of [email protected] or similar. I may have the provider name incorrect, but the general E-MAIL ID is correct. He wanted to come across as your average dumb "Joe Bubba" that accidentally stepped into a fortune and that any dummy can strike it rich with CI.
The following day ..... I was still on step about getting my businesses centralized and to set up an online secure merchant account. Initially I was told I could use any merchant account, but afterwards, I found I had only one choice - Aria Financial. Later that day I received a phone call from some Click Income accelerated online business developer. They'd simplify my life and do all the work for me for the LOW Low low extra cost of ONLY $3995.00. I remember thinking, Gee, I barely even started the process and they were looking to sell me more. This was a first Red Flag - and I asked about cancelling the entire deal. I was then advised there was more to cancelling than simply filing a rebuttal with my credit card company. However, I was assured I only needed to follow the process and I'd be for certain on the right track and a stream of wealth would appear. I then set up my 3 customer service telephonic sessions - dates and times - to Jump Start my Businesss Online - EEE HAW.
First session (about 2 weeks later) never took place with somebody named Victor. I was then called a week later (By Victor of CI) that something came up and that I could not be contacted prior to the session. Technology is an amazing thing and I advised no calls were made to any numbers I provided them. As more time went by, the more I realized I'd been scammed. Once when I called CI to reschedule my FREE sessions, I was advised they were forfeit because I never accomplish the registration with the recommended merchant account (Aria). BTW - none of the prices and cost of the items ever added up correctly. Anything they told me at the seminar were not quite inline with what actually happened.
After attempting to make the service work for more than 2 years, I cancelled the CI membership. This was a trick in itself - almost a Mother-May-I situation. I was not in control of my online business whatsoever - as I guess I was too stupid and they had the only fool-proof methodology. All said and done I bought more than $5,000 in expenses with CI and loads of frustration and run-around.
My recommendations - Stay Away from Click Income! Never buy a package service or contract without careful review NO MATTER how much advantage appears to be offered.
Old Saying and Worth Repeating: If something appears "To Good to be True, It probably is".
Don't let anyone or any company play upon your emotions, greed, or needs to get things done in a timely or urgent manner. If a company or will not allow a test drive of a system for a reasonable period of time before purchase, I'd suspect they are hiding something. Click Income has been reported to BBB.org more than 70 times and dozens of negative posts. One article was from an Anchorage man who attended a CI session shortly before I did. CI scammed dozens of folks in Anchorage, AK and a major article was printed in the Anchorage Daily News. CI is banned from Anchorage, AK.
Do your homework - Do your homework - DO YOUR HOMEWORK - or you are certainly prey for CI to impose their methods upon your companies true potential. When it comes to Click Income and the internet, there is more negative than positive.
ALTP - Avoid like the Plague. Unless you can afford to lose $4K to $10K in a relatively short amount of time.
Just FYI: Once we got the CI dilemma/plague behind us, our businesses have grown - but through more reputable and more localized advertising and partnerships.
Take Care,
Yonder Alaska
Hi, i'm a former employee of Clickincome (whose parent company is PangaeaGroup.com), from March 2004 through August of 2005.
JBM, that's cool that you got a refund. :) As far as I know they always have given refunds if you jump through their hoops within their time frame.
I'm guessing that you missed my earlier posts on more powerful ways to help with this?
Besides contacting the BBB like you did, i believe it is absolutely vital to ALSO file a complaint with the Utah Division of Consumer Protection.
From what I understand the government agency and the private BBB (they are not a non-profit in the traditional sense) -- the two do not work together.
In my opinion, from what i've seen here and elsewhere on the web since fall of 2005 I'm afraid that Clickincome will not completely change its ways (fix everything 100% and not just settle for fixing things 80% or 90%) unless there is fear of prosecution from state law enforcement. (And fixing your ways involves apologizing and making amends for things, even if they happened years ago. As a business you can't smooth the past over, even if you've reformed your current ways, you can't smooth the past over without making amends for things in years past.)
Here is the form:
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/e...laintform.html
(it's an Adobe PDF file)
There is no statute of limitations (no limit on how long ago the incident happened) on filing this form.
Anyone call fill it out. If you lost your documentation that's ok, still fill it out anyways as verbal testimonies still carry weight in their investigation of them.
The BBB does not press charges after so many confirmed bad incidences.
Utah state government does if it involves deception or anything else illegal.
That's the key difference.
Let's help those that come after us, right?! As good citizens we'll receive "good karma" or "blessings" if we help warn others, therefore that's why filling out the state form is so vital.
Someone please reply after you've sent in the form to let us know what happens.
Thanks,
Roger L. Brown
Provo, Utah
http://downtownweb.com
Hi, This post is very informative, however there are some queries to ask about some specific topic. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Thanks,
In regard to click income. I appreciate all who have taken the time to add comments about their experiences. I thought it might work and hoped I could do all they suggested, but didn't have the money for the whole she-bang. I since have found you can go to any of the top website hosting places like godaddy.com and get what they offered for under $20 a month, and you can use paypal at no charge on your website. They take a small percentage of payments, but credit cards do, too. I personally prefer paypal for selling on Ebay. So anyway, I joined clickincome in Jan. and can't seem to use my password and can't even get started and no one calls me back. Accessing their company is a lot of waiting online on hold and then having to leave a message. I never let on I am dissatisfied, but that I have questions. Now I have gotten my first monthly bill for $9.95 for webhosting, and I got two bills, double billing. Two different account numbers. I sure never signed up twice. And I can't get a live person to talk to me on any of the options when I call in. I have left messages and hope someone will call me back this time, but I am not holding my breath. After reading all the negative comments on here, I am going to fill out the back of the registration form and mail it in to cancel. I am lucky, as if I only have to pay for one month, I am way ahead of most of you. You know, there were a few red flags that I ignored when I was there listening to Mike and Richard. One is that their emphasis was on buying a website and then selling websites to other people. That is really not what I wanted to do. I came there to learn to sell better on Ebay. I also found out that the items they offer to sell on ebay are not going to work as money-makers. It really is hard to make a lot of money on Ebay. You have to have something special at a really cheap price. And then you have to have multiples to keep selling. I have yet to find it and I have been selling on Ebay for over 5 years.
My husband and I attended the first seminar two days ago and thought things sounded pretty good. We signed up for the web page hosting and the part of Aria Financial. We intended to attend the second seminar tonight. Being a former banker, I took on the task of doing Due Diligence on Aria Financial. I didn't like what I was finding so I kept on digging until I found this forum. We are so glad I found it. Our letter to cancel was mailed yesterday and we feel like we dodged a huge bullet. Thank heavens we were computer savy enough to do research before we attended the second meeting ~ which we are not attending now. I feel sorry for all of the people who raised their hands that they weren't computer savy and there were many of those ~ most elderly. What really angers me about clickincome is they prey on those who don't know enough to do their homework or who are so excited about the prospect of increasing their income they don't see the red flags. Thanks to all of you who have posted here about experiences with clickincome (bad and good). With your input we were better able to make an educated decision not to do business with them.
Hi, some have asked "how can I report Clickincome / Auction Success Inc?"
In my previous post, I was given incorrect information by a less experienced state employee -- why? Because the lead investigator at the Utah Division of Consumer Protection told me that you have to file the complaint with your home state! He told me that recently. He said that he regularly receives complaints from people like you and refers them to their home state's attorney general.
And yes, Auction Success Inc. is a new business name that they registered in October 2007! You may or may not see "Clickincome" in some of their newer ads.
The companies are all underneath the parent company of Pangaea Group out of Sandy, Utah. Some of the other subsidiaries (not sure of the exact legal wording) are Aria Financial and Professional Real Estate Investors Group.
So, how can you report them?
You can only report them if you suspect they might have broken law(s) in your home state.
You can go to your state's Attorney General and ask if they have any laws about "business opportunities" or "assisted marketing plans". From the little research that I've done, it seems like most states have those laws. Then compare the laws against their ads and presentations and their contracts that you signed.
For example in Texas, here's how to find those laws.
1. Go to Google and do a search for "texas statutes business commerce code".
2. Click on the first search result -- it will say "Business & Commerce Code"
3. It will take you to http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/bc.toc.htm
4. Scroll down to "CHAPTER 41. BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES".
There are several section in there such as BURDEN OF PROOF and many others that I believe pertain to Clickincome / Auction Success Inc. If you live in Texas, take the time to read it yourself.
So the above is just one state. If you live in a different state go to your state's website to find the applicable laws or again call the attorney's general office if it's not easy to find.
If you believe they have broken your state law then file a compalint with your state's attorney general.
5. LASTLY, for everybody, no matter what state you're in -- if you feel like they've been deceptive or misleading in their advertising or in their sales presentations -- then you can legally file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission.
Do a search for "FTC Bureau Consumer Protection". Then at their website look up top and on the 2nd menubar or links button bar, click on "File a Complaint".
It will take a heck of a lot of complaints before the FTC can commit resources to investigate them.
So until then, it's a state by state thing. But don't you let that discourage you. You could be the proverbial "straw that breaks the camel's back" in turning the tide getting them to start at least a preliminary investigation.
So please do both if you feel your conscience telling you to do so.
To be fair, I always, always recommend that you work with Clickincome/Auction Success Inc (or whomever the company is first). If they then don't reconcile with you then file a complaint.
And at the same time -- i don't care what company it is -- if they've done something that you think is against state law, then don't hesitate to contact law enforcement -- that's the attorney general or consumer protection division, etc..
I honestly do believe in "innocent till proven guilty."
I also believe in not ignoring a "preponderance of evidence."
It sounds like from what you and many others have said that their contracts should be compared against your home states laws.
IF they're not following state law on what the contract that you sign needs to say -- then they are breaking state law. Please investigate your own state law to find out.
Please reply with more details -- each of you from different states.
Thanks!
Roger L. Brown
Provo, UT
801-356-1032
Looks like Google recently indexed this video warning from the Better Business Bureau (BBB) about Clickincome Inc. / Auction Success Inc. (same employees working for two different businesses located at the same address):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97191398087397
I would like to ask Roger L. Brown a question with regards to Clickincome. I had noticed your post on the ebay forum, however after I had posted this message, I could not retrieve the thread anymore (I am assuming that it was deleted?)
A friend of mine paid $20 for the ebay seminar recently, and has asked me to go to it with him. I decided to do a little bit of searching on the internet to make sure whether or not it is a scam, and to my dismay I can see that it is a scam indeed. I was wondering how do you cancel the subscription to 'clickclub' after the 30 day trial? I am worried that after the 30 day trial, they will mail my friend an invoice and ask him to pay (I had told my friend to paid the $20 in cash, just to ensure that they would not have his credit card number) and the back of the form does not mention how we can contact clickclub to cancel the subscription.
I have read on another website that someone had tried canceling their subscription "but was met with hostility". Will they force my friend to pay the subscription for clickclub?
Hi fallingshine, I do not know how to cancel ClickClub. Remember I have not worked there since Aug. 2005.
Yes, there was an eBay discussion thread that was deleted just because I put in links to the Utah state government website -- i'm guessing that somebody probably didn't like that and reported me to eBay (since eBay's strict policy is no links to outside websites in your discussion posts).
Sorry I don't know the process for canceling. I do know that someone called me relatively recently and wanted to know if they should get a lawyer -- I told them to go to Clickincome / Auction Success Inc. first -- go through their cancellation process. They seem to be more responsive now since there's more public discussion about them now than there used to be. If you follow their instructions I have no reason to doubt that things will be ok.
That person called me back to report that they had been treated fairly when they canceled.
As far as them being a scam -- I've never said that. The definition of scam is that you pay money and get nothing -- absolutely nothing in return. Clickincome / Auction Success Inc. is selling you a real product and a real service. You do get something in return. So it's not a scam.
But I do think they are overpriced.
And even worse, is the reports we're hearing publicly here and elsewhere about their sales guys dishonest tactics.
And the Better Business Bureau (BBB) of Spokane, WA just put out this advisory on them last month (click to read).
My former supervisor, Mark Hansen, emailed me last week asking why I've "woken the sleeping T-Rex" (he was referring to the owner/CEO, Brian McAdam). It's really sad the denial they're in over their unethical sales tactics. On top of that he's suing me for $5.5 million.
My faith motivates me to stand up and help protect others -- especially this speech by one of the living prophets/apostles:
Brother's Keeper (click to read)
Remember, if you have a complaint, go to your state's attorney general or consumer protection office. See my earlier post about that on page 7.
Feel free to call me if you wish. I'm glad to help talk with anyone about it.
Regards,
Roger L. Brown
801-356-1032
All I want to say is I went to the meetings and somehow I fell for the convincing tale of how to make millions .. not using ebay though, loopholes is what I would call them because Ebay would not allow such a thing. I paid $3995.00 yes thats four thousand dollars. I called the following Monday to cancel after learning about the bad rating from the BBB.... I spoke to Brock...He insisted I "give it a try".... give it a try??? I had about 2 days left before my giving it a try would be over (hence, the 3 day rule to return the package) Anyways Monday Brock took $1000 off and added a bunch of free crap. Still not impressed. I call Tuesday repeatedly... no answer.. Finally Wednesday, my last day to cancel... I got through...Some guy gave me permission to ship it back.. then Brock called back and told me after I got $1000 off then I really signed a new contract and I could NO Longer cancel --LIE>>>>>>>> Lie, lie, lie and lie..... After I was almost in tears and threatened to call a lawyer and my credit card company I was given my return auth. number- THANK YOU JESUS!! I have never been soooo stressed... I rushed to the post office and shipped everything back. I did get my money back.. all of it.. but it did take work... beyond shipping it back.
Here is my advice to get your money back:
1. First and most importantly- the package MUST BE postmarked my the 3rd business day, anything after that, the law doesn't protect you.
(you may still get your money back but I doubt it knowing this company)
2. Next, call your credit card company and file a dispute. If you paid by check then cancel it RIGHT now!! If you paid by cash, then your crazy!
3. File a complaint with the better business bureau.
4. Write a letter to YOUR STATE Attorney about your experience and how you want your money back.
5. Write to the FTC- Federal Trade Commission.... with enough complaints the company may someday be investigated.
6. I even wrote to Utah state attorney.
All I will say is: I did NOT use clickincome therefore I will not say whether or not it really works or you can make money. What I will say is $4000 for a website is high.. I have had 2 previous websites and they werent half of that.
I'm posting because I know how scary it was waiting for my money to get returned. The company/presentations that are given are soooo convincing... and even after trying to cancel.. they (Brock) are soo good at keeping you with the company.
If you send your package back within the 3 business days, I honestly believe that it is vital to also contact your credit card company and the BBB at the least.. I contact both state attorneys and the FTC because I was so upset.
This experience has given me the idea to make a website (well under $100) which will help and inform people about getting their money back. If I do complete the website I will let everyone know what it is. I would love to have peoples experiences on there with positive outcomes like mine and getting my money back.
Thanks clickincome for pushing me to make a website to help others get their money back!
i just went to one of their seminars this morning and paid 4,000.00 and came home to do some research on them and am now convinced that I need to put a stop payment on that check. What more can you all tell me about them?
Yes, stop payment on that check immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by ucanbgr8
I too went to one of their seminars. I did receive some very useful eBay info but did not opt in to their "business package". I got a phone call today from one of their salesmen and he pushed pretty hard on the sell. I told him I would think about it and he is going to call me back tomorrow. I really had no intention of purchasing it as A. I don't have that kind of money. B. I am not going to borrow it as I am debt free. C. I don't give that kind of money to anyone without know a lot about them first. I am so glad I found this thread. I thank you guys so much for taking the time to post all of this info and your stories. I now have plenty of ammo for him when he calls tomorrow.
:( We got ripped off by ClickIncome and their affiliates. In addition to not getting return emails or calls, the referral system stinks. Pay Pal is not supported by ClickIncome's shopping card software. The site never moved up at all even with using all the CD's and book hints -not a single hit. Wanted to cancel our domain reistration, they refused to do so and refused to refund nearly $500 for that! In fact, we are so disgusted that I took my website down and put a warning site v. ClickIncome up instead at www.bonniesuniqueboutique.com. We were new to the ecommerce concept. They DO prey on seniors - most of the people in our presenation were retired.:confused: :) :confused: :eek: :mad:
I am a new user here who has hopes of getting a refund from Clickincome. I took the two seminars in Dallas (Richardson), TX June 11, 2008 then another 4 hours on June 14, 2008. I too bought into it paying $4995.00 thinking I would be rich in 6 months. I was promised everything from them actually building my online business since I told them I had no idea what kind of business to build to them being with my every step of the way. Today September 11, 2008 I have a site that is only 1/16th build and still no idea of what to do with it. Their promise to help and to be always available never happened. I get sent to someone's voice mail when I want to talk to someone about getting out of the contract and getting my money back. The first time I called their support line I got a very rude lady who actually insulted me because I was supposed to have learned that in the training class. I am in touch with my favorite TV station here in Dallas in hopes they can help me. I know it has been almost 3 months but believe me, in that 3 months I have been trying to get someone to talk to so I can get out of this. Can anyone offer advice?
Oh, I too am a senior on Social Security.
Thanks,
:mad: :confused: :cool: :eek: :( :mad: Clickincome and all its affiliates are part of a parent co called Pangaea Group. The same man is listed as the head of almost all the companies involved with Clickincome - what an ego!!!They are not BBB members, nor are they approved by the BBB of Utah, and Clickincome alone has nearly 300 complaints against them with the BBB. Aria Financial also has complaints with the BBB. The BBB review is of Auction Success, not Clickincome. I got stuck for $4995 for the "executive package", $457.68 for two domain name registrations (which they later took back but won't refund any money!), $39.95 per month for processing and gatekeeper First Data, $9.95 per month for "unlimited technical support" (they offer NO technical support by phone or email!!!), and nearly $140 on our phone bill for the time spent on the phone when I finally did reach tech serv. That's only the beginning. I made such a fuss with the Attorney Generas of PA and Utah, the BBB of PA and Utah, the Consumer Protection Agency, the credit card company, legislators whom I personally know, and the media that Clickincome shut down my websites and domain names without ANY REFUND AT ALL. And....I'd not done! Our biggest local paper is doing a special feature on the Clickincome scam. Just type any order of words relating to Clickicome and complaints and you'll find a good deal of interesting reading online! BBB site has a warning against Action Success, which is the company name the used on the full page ad in our paper on March 17, 2008. (The seminars were held on the 18 and 19 at The Days Inn and Conference Center on Bulldog Road. I'm blogging every site I can find to get the word out, and you should too! My husband and I are 75 and 62, we both lost our jobs in a corporate bankruptcy, we talked ad nauseum about starting an online business with my handmade photo greeting cards, attended the seminars, and got stiffed. I FOUGHT BACK AND SO CAN YOU!!! If you want to get these guys, I'll collect data to take to an attorney to see if a class action suit is plausible. We'll all have to come together to stop Clickincome and its highly developed scam. :mad: :rolleyes: :cool:
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Bonnie, count me in please. I have not heard from the TV station so I'm not sure if they will help me or not. Please tell me what you need next
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:confused: :eek: :o The best way to fight Clickincome, Auction Success/ASI, Pangaea Group, Rapid Domain Name, Clicksitebuilder, Aria Financial, First Data, and other companies under the Pangaea Group parent, file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of Utah, the Office of the Attorney General of Utah, and a dispute with your credit card company. Provide as many details and copies of documents, including sales forms, credit card bills, emails, phone records of attempts to contact clickincome tech support, and anything else you can think of. The more documentation you have, the better. All three of the above are now involved in my complaint and the BBB is trying to negotiate a settlemnt for a $75 fee to each party. Clickincome has a rote response to everything - three days and not involved with the other business.BUT, the same man is the top executive with almost all the companies under Pangaea. Once you're on record with your complaint, ask the operator of this site if you may send a copy of that to me OR list it on this site as a thread post. This is a great site! They notify me of the responses, so I can check what you say on line.My online statement basically reiterated what was in m complaint. Next, do a search for "complaints against clickincome", "clickincome scam" and/or related word searches to get a better understanding of what this company is about It is no accident that nearly 300 complants were filed with the BBB in a 36 month period. :rolleyes: :( :mad: :rolleyes: The more familiar you are with the process they use, the better you will be able to fight against them. They took your money! They probably lied to you about services and what you could realistically expect under their implied contracts as well as the specific contract terms. The only tem they care about is cancellation within three days which will not happen because they don't return phone calls or emails! Try some of these ideas, then let me know where you are. I want tofind enough peopl to take this to an attorney and file a class action suit against Clickincome to put them out of business. At 75 and 62, we've been activists a long time and we've learned a few things which work. Bad publicity is one.By the way, I meet with a reporter today who is doing a special expose on Clickincome and our situation. Contact your local TV and radio stations, newspapers - including small town papers. After a long career in marketing, I will tell you that the saying "any publicity is good publicity" does not apply when the company is scamming unsuspecting people, especially senior citizens. Good luck! Thanks to the operators of this forum -it's a great way to network on an issue.
To anyone who has encountered Clickincome and feels they have a complaint: PLEASE CONTACT THE BETTER BUSINESS OF UTAH asap.Bonnie,
"file complaints through the BBB and we will contact the business in regards to each one."
Brittany Brown | Dispute Resolution Manager
Tel: 801-892-6009
Fax: 801-892-6002
Email: [email protected]
www.bbb.org
Better Business Bureau of Utah
5673 S Redwood Rd #22
Salt Lake City, UT 84123
I was in one of your classes online with Click Income. It concerned me when I saw a name I recognized attached to this forum. I am having real issues with not getting what I paid for right now too. I feel like I'm in too deep to back out but I am not getting a huge problem corrected. Tech Support is telling me there is an HTML glitch in one of the site styles. It just so happens to be the only site style that makes any sense to use for my Halloween site. The glitch is the shopping cart doesn't function correctly. So I have a pretty nice site but you cannot purchase anything. The class action may sound like the way to go.
I am not sure who you were referring to when you said you were in one of the online classes but do as Bonnie said and contact the BBB of Utah. I did and they have filed the complaint. You are not by yourself.