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I am very new to this ecommerce business and am in the process of getting my site set up through ClickIncome. As such, I would really be interested to know if anyone "out there" is familiar with their program and success ratio of people like myself - one who I would describe as tenacious. Appreciate any thoughts.
laindnco,
Signed up with clickincome in March of 2004, paid them just under $11,000.00.
Still waiting for our first sale from the site and for the answer to several questi
ons from them.
Good luck.
clickoutgo
Clcik---
you paid them $11K a year ago and still hven't made a sale yet? Am I missing something here? It sounds liek a huge rip off -- or is your site complicated and it's taking that long to build?
I went to the "seminar", I paid $100 to reserve a site. I checked it out, decided not to go forward. They then began to bill me $29.95/mo and have threatened my credit rating. I called "EVA" in accounting, she was very hostile. I'm going to complain to the BBB and the Utah State Attorney.
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Please tell me you are kidding. Why in the world would you pay someone that amt of money for a PPC service???? :eek:
STAY AWAY from clickincome - I currently have 4 clients that are what I term "ClickIncome Survivors" and countless others I've spoken to after they'd been cleaned out by these bandits with nothing to show for it. The thing that really "makes my butt itch" about them is that they seem to target the older audience (probably because they are more likely easily fooled regarding websites and ecommerce in general). Then chew them up and spit them out - SHAMELESS in my opinion - Jazzmatazz
Sounds like they should be named: ClickRipoff.
I attended one of their free seminars. I've been in the computer biz and ecommerce for awhile and boy was it easy to spot these scam artists.
First, go to www.bbb.org and look up clickincome.com. they have 71 complaints filed against just the web site, that's about 20 more than even Google!
Now go to their web site. Try to register for one of their seminars. You can't. Any company who really cares of about customer retention will at least have a form where you can sign up. But they don't because they simply want to get you in and get you worked into a lather and buy their horrible products.
Now go to the testimonial web sites they have on their site. Try and purchase a product. They are both bogus sites, registered to the same person in arizona.
Now add up what they are charging you for - a shopping cart program you can get with most hosting services now, a supposed link to ebay with each item (which doesn't work), a list of crappy also ran products that you and 4,000 other people can try and sell on ebay (like the $50 dust buster they talk about at the seminar.)
And their merchant fees/account runs over $2,000! And if their testimonial sites are any indication, it's apparent that doesn't even work!
The dip that was giving the seminar accosted me when I was explaining to someone that this was a scam, and then gave me his ebay user id - freeclickbiz - I looked up his id on ebay and he had been there only 4 months and had sold NOTHING and had NO ratings!
All in all they will shake you down for $100 for their worthless training/book.
Another $50-80 per month on your credit card and if you try to dispute the charges it's hard because you signed a contract with them stating you would pay them, and then another couple of thousand for other crap they sell.
Jazzmatazz is absolutely right that you should STAY AWAY from Clickincome.com. I have fully investigated them and they are NOTHING but a scam.
And yes, they do play/cater to older people and those that are technically not too savvy.
One poor lady who had just had twins and whose hubby was in the military was there and came up to me afterwards asking what I thought. She was hip on the drop shipping - you can buy products from us and we'll drop ship them for you idea. I told her look, who is going to buy a $50 dust buster? And you know you're having to compete with 4,000 other people who are trying to sell those same binoculars. You can buy a book on how to work with ebay and return it if it doesn't suite your needs. With these guys it's pressure pressure pressure. She finally wised up and left.
Those poor saps that stay and went for the high pressure sales. It was sad.
I went back the next day and tried to leaflet people as they came in with the info I had found, but they called hotel security and threw me out.
STAY AWAY FROM THEM! or at least go to www.bbb.org and check out clickincome.com.
If you're thinking about doing business with any company that does sales through seminars then always make sure to check with the Attorney General or Department of Commerce in the home state of the company. Most, if not all, have laws on disclosures for companies that sell you a "business opportunity".
It's also a good idea to ask a seminar company for the breakdowns on how many new customers were signed up through seminars in the last 30 days and how many came from referrals from satisfied customers in the last 30 days -- good to compare the two numbers.
Too many people make purchases without getting a 2nd opinion. Their greed or desperation seems to turn off their common sense. I used to work for a company, iMall, that very smartly divested themselves of the seminar portion of their business as soon as they saw how unscrupulous their particular sales guys were. They were challenged by the SEC too.
Anyway, for info on Utah's business opportunity laws please check out
* http://www.commerce.utah.gov/dcp/enf...t/statute.html
* http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE13/13_12.htm (read 13-15-4 and 13-15-5)
If you feel you've been misled then the right thing to do is to file a complaint, no matter how long ago it was, in order to protect the public
http://www.commerce.utah.gov/dcp/enf...complaint.html
Roger Brown
Thank you Ckirk! I found your letter in the Anchorage Press about this:
http://www.anchoragepress.com/archiv...vol14ed46.html
IF you know anybody in Oklahoma City, please alert them to the seminars that Clickincome is putting on this Wednesday and Thursday -- Jan. 4th & 5th -- a total of 6:
http://shopping.newsok.com/ROP/ads.a...6&advid=337244
They need to go to one of them and do the same thing that Ckirk did!
I'm going to try to attend one of them. We need more than one of us!
Thought their presentation was too slick, though the guy tried hard to be "one of the guys"...his humor was too practiced.
Anyway, I went to the presentation and was not induced into buying into the deal...was a bit taken aback as to how many were. Thought about printing out some of this information and handing it out to those people at the training meet. They gave no warning of this "extra" meet. But said to drop everything and attend...before you have time to think, I guess.
Do appreciate this information. I like it when my take is shared by others, and my reluctance to act is borne out.
It amazes me that people would rather blame anyone and anything than take responsibility for their own success.
Being a Master Internet Business Mentor I see those who start with hardly turning on a computer to seasoned business owners.
Success is not only in the tools one uses, but in oneself. Success is a decision. If a person is afraid to win, they can find fault will all types of things.
Has anyone asked how many people are successful with these tools? Or is it easier to just bash something you haven't even personally used? The sure way to know what is what is to use the tools and see for yourself. If you haven't done that, then you don't really know. Internet success takes dedication, hard work, and a must win attitude. A website is a business and if a person is overwhelmed by having a business it is not the tools fault, just that they personally are not up to running a business. Yes, it happens.
In Using Clickincome's template websites, I have found a product user friendly to search engine optimization, and many built in features that are promotionally friendly. It is fairly simple compared to knowing and writing html for those who don't know html and want to build a website. Clickincome is growing rapidly and the growing pains have been felt. Company employees have teamed up on addressing those growing pains and getting things running smoothly as the company continues to expand and grow. I have personallly seen the company bend over backwards to help those who got in over their heads and have a binding contract. They have listened to them and worked with them to a resolution. Sadly some take undue advantage and enjoy the whole package they purchase and use it then want a full refund. I do teach companies to give something free away but what company would survive giving away it's main products for free?
Internet Master Must be a Clickincome employee. He (or she) asks if anyone has asked how many people are successful using Clickincome. Yes!! I have asked several times for site addresses and/or email addresses for anyone actually making money with Clickincome. I've never received any.
There are testimonials from users in the Spring/Summer 2002 issue of Home Business Journal, which is passed out at the seminars. I have tried to contact these people. One email is undeliverable, one site no longer exists, the others simply do not respond. Guess they don't want to give any advise.
As for using something, then asking for a refund, if you use something and it works as it is supposed to, you would not expect or ask for a refund. However,if you purchase something from me and I can't deliver, I'm pretty sure you would want your money back. Right? If you purchase a car (or anything else) and it doesn't work, you expect the dealer to make it work properly or give you your money back. Why should Clickincome not be expected to do the same?
Clickoutgo
You know what, 1 out of 10 clickincome sites out there are scams. You need to do your research. However, one thing is for sure. It is easy money, but the risk may be high. So what I do? I calculate my risk, get in at the right time and get out and the right time.You should be looking for proven fund managers and proof of payments. And ALWAYS PUT MONEY IN THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE! Other than that, have FUN making Money online!
Where did you get your research jaong1? Are you saying that people who bought the clickincome website are all con artists? Or that just 1 out 10 are? Show me those statistics. And while you're at it, show me how many other template site owners of other template types are rip off artists who put up websites as well. In fact, add all of the website owners out there. How many of those sites are con artists compared to the ones that are good legitimate sites?
That is like saying people who eat chocolate are scam artists. Lots of people eat chocolate, all kinds of people. Some could be scam artists so I guess chocolate eaters are all scam artists too! Sheeze....so you get in take all the money you can and get out jaong1? ...LOL ok...sounds like honest business to me. Or not.....
I do agree people should use common sense in investing money that they can lose because in all investments there is a chance a loss can happen.
When a person decides to start an Internet Business they are starting a full blown business. It will not make money upfront just like any other business or be as easy as flipping on a switch. It takes work. And if a person bails on their own business before they get it going they are the ones who just don't have what it takes to work for what they want.
How does one refund knowledge? If I get a Masters Degree and then make nothing of it, do I go back to my college and demand a refund because what they gave me "didn't work"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clickoutgo
Just to clarify here, I have used all types of template sites and am very familiar with various programs out there. There are many programs, and methods sold daily to make money online. Some are very good and make money for people in general. Other are good, but some people don't get them and don't make money while others make tons of money with the same information and tools. For readers information clickincome has a package of many products that are sold together. The template website is only one part of the package. The rest is educationally based, and is knowledge that once heard is known. Many internet business companies have packages with many parts. All companies who have large numbers of customers get some complaints for all types of reasons. Take a look at Googles complaints to see what I mean. Or any other top notch company. They all have complaints at some point. Now those reasons may be valid. And if there are problems with any company the problems need to be fixed. With all of the things businesses hear and see it is of interest to note some of the very same situations produce different results for different people. The tools, info, or whatever it is, may be just so so and yet some use that for success and do well with whatever they did have to work with. Others can have the best of the best and never succeed. Ripping off knowledge then asking for a full refund on it is just as bad as any poor product rip off. If I buy a CD and open it then listen, it isn't going to be accepted in a return. Neither will a computer software program after I have opened it used it, then want my money back. Knowledge can't be returned. Sure, a company can give back money anyway and eat the loss to fend off tantrums of unmotivated people who want it all for nothing.
My guess is that if a company said no....some people would start huge tantrums because they don't get what they want. Besides, they spent money, don't get it and now will take the loss because of their lack of motivation or of being overwhelmed by the immensity of what it really takes to start a successful online business.
Sorry, Internet Master. There's a miscommunication. I meant to say click to get money programmes and websites in general, not the Clickincome programme specifically. A case of mis usage of names! my bad
No worries. There are definately all types of scams out there. And some of the scam is from people who buy programs, get their info then try to bail on paying for it.
I agree it is wise to be informed and choose carefully.
Ok let me chime in for a second. I am a user of Clickincome. My wife and I attended a Clickincome seminar last November because we had been thinking of getting into Internet and eBay sales but didn't know where to start. The presentation was ok and we then went to a followup presentation. Both of these presentations contained information that in and of itself was of value. We learned a few things and we're asked to sign up and purchase more products from them. We new going into the presentation that this would be the case. It's ALWAYS the case when attending these types of free seminars. We went in cautious not wantint to get scammed.
What did we do? We bought into the Clickincome system and paid several thousands of dollars for tools, a merchant account, and what Clickincome calls mentoring. Did we get ripped off? Drum roll please...... NO! Did Clickincome deliver what they promised to us? Drum roll please...... YES! Did it require a lot of effort on our part? YES! Did it require us to work? YES! Did they promise us easy money? NO! Starting a new Internet business from scratch can be a very daunting thing to do especially if you really have no idea where to start. We received a tool that allowed us to build a fairly elborate ecommerce site where we now sell western clothing and horse tack. Could we have done it without Clickincome? Maybe, but only if we had enlisted the help of someone else to train and teach us and that doesn't come for free.
Our site is up and running and we've made sales on our site but we still have a long way to go. I guess the real question people probably want to know is did we get ripped off? Looking back on it all now, I think we probably paid a little more than it was all worth but then that maybe isn't true either. It's a tough question to answer. How do you measure it? Without training by someone we would never have gotten off the ground. Without the tools provided by Clickincome we could have easily paid someone $5,000 just to create our website. With Clickincome tools we created our site on our own. If you'd like to take a look please feel free to do so by going to
http://www.wildheartwestern.com
We started off on our Clickincome venture looking at it as a catalyst to get us moving in the right direction. I feel like we are moving forward and making good progress. We still have a lot to learn. Our Clickincome mentor has been outstanding. The technical support people have been very helpful.
So there you have it. I'm not telling anyone to signup or not signup with Clickincome. Everyone has to make that decision on their own. All I'm doing is relating my experience as a Clickincome customer. For those that are looking for a get rich scheme then this isn't it but then again at the seminar I attended in November of 2005, they were very carefull to disclose several times that this wasn't a get rich quick scheme. It took dedication and hard work. It took effort and required you to follow the mentors instructions and directions even if you didn't thing it would work. We've done that. We've moved beyond our comfort zone and frankly we are starting to have some success.
So there you have it. Take it for what it's worth and make you own informed decision.
I checked out your website and was pleased to find a beautiful, well put together site. I am one of the LOL's that signed up with Clickincome and although I've had several problems and had to keep after them to solve them, it's been an ok adventure. I was very discouraged from reading the other replies although I'm encouraged by your success. Do you know any other sites that have gotten up and running?
Hi, I'm trying to get an ecommerce site set up for some friends using yahoo merchant solutions but everything is like pulling teeth. The documentation is shallow and fragmented and anything beyond cookie cutter functionality is undocumented. Can anyone tell me where to find info on things like modifying the shopping cart? I need to change how the 'remove' function works, along with other modifications. Also, I was assuming the rtml used with the yahoo store was not used with mercant solutions but the documentation blurs between the two and I'm wondering if merchant solutions is just a layer on top of yahoo store. Thanks for any help you can provide.
I was reading through all these comments and complaints about clickincome, and I want to say I AGREE to all the complaints. We joined last year and yes, we paid so much money as what everybody did, and didn't make money. And my big complaint is...once you're in and they can't really force you to put in anymore money, then that's where all the customer service fails. You ask questions and don't getg any straight answers. And now that we try to close our account, they are just giving us hard time and even start charging for things that we shouldn't owe. I am so looking forward to putting a complaint to business bureau.
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You should all band together. Numbers speak louder.
Imagine a person who had no experience to this kind of business, but yet was convinced that you will make money with this busniess (that's what they would tell you when you attend the seminar), and you are willing to risk so much money because, thought that you will get all the information and support that you can get. Then there it goes, your first call from clickincome, was all about making money which that's what everybody wants---but then----you have to put in more money in order to make more money. And when you let them know that you're not putting that much money, simply because you don't have that kind of money...guess what happened????? You're pretty much on your own; You ask questions and never get straight answers. You call regarding billing information, and they don't return your calls; And now that you want to close your account permanently, they try to ignore you as long as they can, or even give you runarounds. Then once you talk to them, then they try to charge you things that you shouldn't even get charged before you can close your account. Well just so you know, that's exactly what happened to me! I didn't ask for my money back, all I wanted was to cancel since I worked so hard for this stupid website, devoted most of my time to have set this whole thing, and tried learning as much as I can, but never received any good support from clickincome. So why would I even stick with them and pay for that monthly payment. But no, they don't let you out that easy. After dealing with them for about 5 months now just trying to cancel this stupid thing, now they decide they will just charge me first before they close the account! Figure that out!!!!!!! I am so glad I found this website and read all the complaints about clickincome. I knew it wasn't just me who had problems!
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I had the very same problems as you so this is what I have done so far. After 7 months of hard work on my website, I have had very few hits, mostly from my friends after sending out my first e-mail announcement, no sales and no further help from anyone at Clickincome after they helped set it up, I decided to file a complaint to the Utah Better Business Bureau.
I first sent certified letters to 4 senior managers, Pres/Treasurer, VP/Sec, Gen. Mgr., Client Services and to the Utah BBB, listing my questions, complaints etc. (You can find all this on the BBB web site). After receiving no answers except the person who helped set up my site who called to see how it was going and when I asked if this was in response to my letter, he said no. I told him my complaints and questions and he said he was sorry and that he would look into them and let me know the answers as soon as possible. To date I've not heard from him. This has been since June 19th. I filed a complaint on July 18th and got a quick response from the BBB who contacted me and said they had contacted Clickincome. To date, I have not heard from Clickincome.
Will keep you posted as to the result. Maybe if they get enough complaints something will happen. What I don't know!
Thank for your response. I appreciate that. I will definitely look into this matter and will definitely be putting in complaints.
I received a letter from someone regarding my complaint to clickincome, I'm not sure who. But just want to say thank you for replying. reading your letter just made me more angry at this company. Because now, I am positively sure that it was just me but pretty much most of the people that joined the clickincome were just getting ripped off. As I have said before I will definitely sending out my complaint letter. I am not going to just ignore this situation, it is necessary to take ACTION!!!!
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!
If you are within your 3 days, Please do yourself a favor and GETOUT!!!!
Do not join this company as it is a SCAM, they follow the Utah State Laws to the EDGE, enough to screw you out of thousands of dollars.
I signed up, Paying 4 grand, for a crap package, you can get the same package for hundreds of dollars rather then thousands. plus the webhosting + matinence. 30 BUCKS? What is that? you normally pay 5 dollars a month anywhere else you go. also, after you sign up they will call you and try to sucker more money from you, once you tell them no. you are on your own, and they give up on you, and will not ever return your phone calls. you are being screwed out of your money, I have done research on this company and have emailed every single website I have ran into that is a click income website. NO ONE HAS MADE ANY MONEY. They promise you they will set it all up and they dont. Also the people at the seminars LIE to you. They build you up, and when you call into customer service, they apologize and tell you that you were misinformed. they say billing wont start until you start. again. ITS A LIE. billing auto starts 30 days after you sign your contract. I didnt touch the site once, and I am out 4 grand. they will refuse to refund you any money, even though they can see you have never logged in. They will pretty much laugh in your face and say "well you should have read the contract"
Please, I do NOT recommend this to anyone. If you sign up for this, you are throwing away your money. I recommend signing up for a dropshipper and selling all your products on ebay.
What a JOKE.
I recommend EVERYONE send a letter to the BBB, if you dont spread the word on this, no one will know. PLease PLEASE send a letter to the BBB with a complaint, and post this internet article on anywebsite you can.
its a SCAM!!!!! even though they do things by UTAH state law. you will NOT make any money. Have you seen clickincomes dropshipper? I forget the name, but they have nothing. all the products in there are more expensive then a store would stock it at.
-ScamALERT at your service
Well, today I finaly got the final answer from my BBB complaint filed against Clickincome. They refused to give me any refund. They lie,lie,lie. They said that they answered all my calls and questions, "gave" me extra help and would be "happy to assist and resolve all my concerns, all I have to do is call their technical support department". What do they think I've been doing the last 6 months! They now say that I refused to cooperate with them. I made calls, they were not answered, I wrote e-mails, they were not answered and I sent a written list by certified mail before filing a complaint, not answered. And I'm the one that refused to cooperate!!!. I am now going to contact the Attorney General of Utah and file a complaint.
If you check out the number of complaints with the BBB they have grown from 94 when I started in July to 107 now!!!
If you go to a seminar, leave your check book and credit card at home and run, do not walk to the nearest exit.
I think that making money is such an emotional concept. Meaning the promise of having a different life tugs at our inner most desires. In theses seminars and phone calls the "salesmen" appeal to your emotions making it difficult to say "no" to achieving your dreams no matter what the cost.
If you are promised something make sure it is in writing and read everything. So many people will just sign on the dotted line without reading the 5 pages of micro-print legal disclaimers and people get ripped off.
I'm ashamed to admit this now, but I spent over $7,000 on an eBay course and I got what they said I would get, but after a while I realized I could have gotten the same information for about $500. Was I scammed, no. Was I sucker, yes.
What I paid was way too much but the knowledge I gained from the experience is priceless.
Sometimes we just have to shake the dust off our shoes and move on...make the money back in spite of all the crap you went through. That's what I'm doing.
I have a site up and running, and I'm making money now...Just don't quit on your dreams...if you give up you fail. It's that simple.
Sounds like these guys are nothing but trouble. So why have you not cancelled your account or closed the account they bill you throught and open up a new on or report them to your bank or CC company as fraudulent charges.
That is exactly what I did. I sent a registered letter to the Aria Financial who set up my merchant account asking that it be closed. Also instructed my bank to stop paying the fees. Next thing I know I get a call from a collection agency saying that I owe $250. I ask what for and they got very rude. I called the co. I sent the letter to and was told that they had nothing to do with the merchant account although they set it up. They referred me to Cardservice Int. When I called them they said I had signed a contract for a year and these were fees I owed for closing my account early. I did not get a copy of the contract when I signed it, so they faxed it to me. I did indeed sign it the night I signed up for Clickincome. I asked that they send me a breakdown of the fees. They never did. I paid the total to get the collection agency off my back. I have also canceled all other services that were charging fees. I asked Clickincome to close my account, however, the site is still open, with a note posted by me that my store is closed.
Heidi, Thanks for the encouraging words. I am trying to do just that but I think it is a crime for these people to get away with this. However, I do believe in carma. What goes around comes around! And God don't like ugly! ;-)
It's a shame you are having such a terrible time with this company. I have no experience with them so I can't comment on them.
I would just say, get as much back as you can, then start concentrating on your business and put all that energy into making money. I know it can be frustrating. In the end it will all be worth it when you achieve your goal.
That is so crazy!!! It's obvious that this companu is a scam, and how can they NOT see that???
ummm. are we talking about "great products" from click club?????????? They have nothing but junk, just so you know---oh! I'm pretty sure you already knew that....
ummm. are we still talking about clickincome??? because whether you ask for refund or not---they give you crappy service anyway. so what's your point exactly???? i wasn't asking for refund because i know with this kind of company, they will not about to give our money back---they're gready...that's why they do their BEST not to deal with us, by ignoring us totally. So who would want to stick with this company??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????Quote:
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i'm sorry to hear that. i better check all my bills connected to clickincome. i already cancelled my account, and thru authorize.net account. is there any other ones????? this company just made me a worry freak, because they just love charging all kind, without our knowledge! it is so frustrating.Quote:
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what goes around...comes around!! i definitely agree.Quote:
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This company took $ 50K and delivered a bugged software according to this website http://www.eonegroupsucks.info.